I try to stay away from posts that are even remotely political (as people who disagree with me give me a headache), but I have to say, I'm so disappointed that California upheld the gay marriage ban. So disappointed. I'm not a huge fan of marriage in general, truth be told (though I'm a gigantic fan of commitment and monogamous relationships), but I simply don't believe the government (or anyone, for that matter) has the right to tell a person whom he/she can marry. And I will never understand how anyone truly believes in his heart of hearts that he has that right. Never. It makes me sad. At least all the people who got married months ago can stay married. That's something, I guess... not enough... but something.
So disappointed.
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Well said! I'm so disappointed.
I hate how the government or anyone thinks they have the right to decide whats "wrong" with other people. the whole crock of shit about "we're a melting pot and we accept and apperciate everyones differences" unless you don't think/feel/ or fit "our mold' than we will down you ever chance we get.
I think it sucks.
I think you're right... it's nobody's business, but your own, whom you marry. Sort of like religion... marriage is a spiritual commitment the doesn't need govenment interference. Is it all about sucking up the resources of the court? Will same sex couples divorce/litigate more than hetero couples? Will same sex marriage undermine the tax code? Bah. We're screwed anyway. Stupid politicians.
You've been really prolific. When I've been away and come back to your amazing posts, I'm stunned. Sounds like you and Ryan will have an incredibly busy summer... too busy to twit about. (Personally, I don't care what you do minute by minute, even though I like you a lot...) All of it sounds sensible and energetic. Ryan's lucky to have you for a mom. I know when my son was Ryan's age, he was begging not to go to camp. Ryan's got a good head on her shoulders, she'll do fine with the summer schedule. Enjoy. Nice fountain dance photo, btw.
If marriage and all the rights and privileged are denied to one set of people...then marriage for all should be denied! It is shameful...It is not gays that are hurting the state of marriage...it is the heterosexuals!This ban in essence causes them to pay higher taxes and could endanger their right to speak for a loved one about health care in a hospital.
I believe strongly that this is discrimination!
Marriage is difficult but everyone should be allowed the benefits and the difficulties.
Aren't these the same people who demand that we get government out of the lives of citizens? I thought so.
I hear ya'! I was in the car when I heard it this afternoon and I almost drove off the road. (Not that it requires a great deal of anything to make me do that, it's kind of a habit.)
In any case, I was reading up on it and it sounds like they're going to try again in 2010. Maybe more people will be outspoken about it this time.
I'm so with you.
It's odd that Gay people want to marry, and straight people just want to live together and married people want to be divorced...and the politicians are trying to make laws to govern us when they in fact are the most corrupt "people" of us all!
It all gives me a headache, really.
Diane, if you truly don't understand how anyone has the right to tell others whom they can or cannot marry, then maybe you don't understand that fun loving religion called Christianity. The decision has almost nothing to do with politics or government, it has to do with deep seeded relgious roots that most people don't believe they have.
I have to agree with anonymous on the religious point. It's sick and wrong. We have to keep fighting.
From some of the comments I see, I bet you are getting a headache already. I'm disappointed too ... I mean, just let people be happy and get the legal benefits of marriage for the people they love.
I was so disappointed, too. I remember when prop 8 passed and I thought "California? Really? Oh, California, I'm so disappointed in you"
And as far as your viewpoint, I assure you, you always say things in a tactful and respectful way, acknowledging that others have the right to have a different opinion than you without looking down upon them. (how's that for a run on sentence?)
I guess at least California was able to have it for a while which is more than some places. Having made a step in that direction hopefully they'll get there again and everyone else will wake up and do the same.
Yep. My heart sank when I got the email that read "Just moments ago..."
Ahhhh! I don't think Christians understand that it's a civil rights issue!
I agree with you on everything you said Diane. To me there is some twisted, political logic in denying tax paying adults the choice of marriage or a civil union.
I heard it in the news this morning and I recall being surprised as I considered California to be a bit more liberal than other states.
yes, it is sad
love is love, regardless- no boundaries, no qualifiers xx
Well said.
Yes it is sad and disappointing, two consenting gay adults should have the right to marry if they want and get the benefits that are afforded to heterosexual couples. ♡
Whether you agree with same-sex marriage or not, the bottom line is that it is NOT the government's place to regulate. Religious beleifs are just that - personal beliefs. Not something to be enforced by the state.
In the same sense, I don't think the government should ban prayer in school - so I guess it goes both ways. What we do or don't do should be decided and acted upon by us. Not made into another piece of legislation.
Re: Heather - you've highlighted my point from earlier. Although these things are not something to be enforced by the state, government is really just a bunch of people 'in charge' who, like most people, cannot always separate the deeply ingrained religious views which are still very much a part of how we as a people in this nation think and feel. Look at other hot topics such as abortion and the death penalty and it's easy to see that the viewpoints on these cannot be separated from religion as well.
I think most of us can agree that it's jst not right, but we'll never be able to completely separate.
Anonymous - I'm not sure we're on the same page here... earlier you said, "The decision has almost nothing to do with politics or government, it has to do with deep seeded relgious roots that most people don't believe they have."
Last I checked, atheists and agnostics still had the right to get married. What about their religous beliefs, or lack there of? Yet the government does ban their rights to marriage. I'm not sure I grasp the difference.
And just so we're clear, I'm a Christian, and no, I'm not gay. Just opinionated.
Diane - sorry to use your comment section as a forum for debate. I saw that I was responded to and felt I needed to clarify my response from earlier.
Heather, no worries, darlin'. I can give you his email address if you want to continue the discussion outside of here :)
I know Anonymous and he is an atheist... he's not always the most articulate, as his fingers get ahead of his brain ;). I think he was just agreeing with what you said about how religious beliefs are personal and shouldn't be enforced by the state. Well, whether that's what he meant to say or not, I know that's what he thinks :)
Heather - when I said deep seeded relgious roots that most people don't believe they have, what I meant is that in this country there is almst always a religious tinge to everything we feel and think, even if we don't belive in any particular religion. Atheists may proclaim to not believe in a god, but their thought process is still influenced by it. It is a large part of our culture (I think) in ways that we may not even think of consciously. So the fact that our government would make decisions like this is not a surprise.
Anyway, Diane is right in that I don't always get my point across, especially in a small comment box, and somewhere in my head your comment helped my point make sense to me.
And opinionated is good, debate is mostly fun and hopefully no harm done by us hijaking things a bit.
Well...you know how I feel, and I don't think how I feel give you a headache, so I won't comment further, except to say that this is one of my favorite ever commentaries about gay marriage...
http://fanaticalapathy.com/2004/03/28/a-concise-history-of-my-marriage-2003-2004/
Yeah, but you know, people were going to start marrying their dogs and stuff.
Sure they were.
On the plus side, though, it's not like this could possibly LOWER my opinion of the California government. They've long since bottomed out.
Anonymous - Sorry to get my feathers ruffled yesterday. My fingers get carried away on this keyboard sometimes. I obviously read your comment completely the wrong way! (As I hope Diane has already explained!)
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